Beer monitoring?

jim3342

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I have a friend who owns a small pub and would like to understand where all his draft beer is getting 'lost'. Anyone know a good flowmeter I could use for the lines that go from each keg to the tap?

Software would be easy enough but I need a flowmeter that would work with either an analog output or a pulse?

Any possible links would be appreciated or if anyone has tried this before?
 
I have start-up company called IKEG. We are in Beta testing right now.

I have patented a keg coupler (most people incorrectly call it a "tap") which is capable of measuring the quantity of beer left in the keg using pressure differentials. The device is wired to a central controller which is wifi enabled. The controller posts data to our company server which has the GUI.

Features:
1) It indicates when beer is flowing and for how long each draw lasted (for comparison to sales receipts).
2) It indicates how much beer is left in the keg without any requirement for resetting a counter or other intervention on the part of the user.
3) It uncouples a keg ("un-taps" the keg) the split second the keg goes empty (keeps empty keg switch out from foaming by not allowing gas into beer line)
4) It creates daily route reports for the beer distributors.
5) It monitors temperature in the cooler.
6) It has email/text alerts that are customizable by the user. (when keg hits a level (like 10%) or if beer flows at an incorrect time (like when you're closed), or temp goes out of range).

The main controller can handle 8 couplers. If you have more than 8, you will need two controllers.
The couplers look like normal couplers except they are about 2cm taller and have a small box attached to the side that contains the PCB and pressure transducer.
The couplers work like normal couplers regarding how you would switch out a keg (no additional employee training required).
Works with American Sanke style kegs only at this time, but will very soon be expanded to European Sanke and then others as demand indicates.
Works on quarter barrels and half barrels.
Works with pure CO2 systems or beer-gas blends without any changes to configuration.
Works at all draft beer PSI levels without any changes to configuration.
Once installed, requires no user input.

Setup is a matter of unscrewing the plumbing attachments to your current coupler (liquid and gas lines), and screwing this coupler in. A wire comes off the coupler which is zip tied to the gas line. All the wires from the different kegs converge at the gas manifold where you would locate the controller (about the size of a router). The control board requires 120vac (wall wart) and has an off-board wifi antenna that in the vast majority of cases would need to be ran outside of the cooler for a signal to be received. Temperature is measured at the control board. The board also has a cat5 plug which is how you access the unit's GUI for configuring your wifi settings or you can skip the wifi and use the cat5 only.

The system is a subscription service, the final pricing scheme is not as of yet determined.
The system is expected to go on sale toward the end of the first quarter of 2013.
If you have an interest in beta testing, send me a PM.
 
I think I saw a sparkfun project for a keg that tweeted using pressure transducers to sense when the keg was getting empty.
 
I think I saw a sparkfun project for a keg that tweeted using pressure transducers to sense when the keg was getting empty.

I am not familiar with "sprakfun", but I would be quite surprised if what they described is what my system is. The pressures need to be measured in a way that is outside of the realm of "diy". If you just measured the pressure on your fluid and gas lines, your values would be so far off as to be useless. To make a working device, one would need a machine shop with mills, lathes, and welding equipment plus all the accessories that go along with that. Plus a willingness to spend a lot of time on it. Plus a willingness to spend way more money than one would ever consider reasonable for a hobby device. Our first proof of concept devices had hundreds of hours into them. And while they worked, they weren't just the simple screw it on and off you go device that our production model is.

The electronic part is definitely within the capabilities of a lot of diy people.
 
It's no where near your system. They just weighed the keg.

http://www.sparkfun.com/tutorials/144

Yes, I actually considered that when designing the system. But after interviewing bar owners and learning that kegs are frequently stacked and that they throw other things on top of them, it would get all screwed up. Plus, the scales would have to be insanely durable (certainly very buildable, but expensive). If you ever watch guys move kegs around. . . it's a borderline "violent" activity.

Using the pressure transducers is effectively doing the same thing. We are basically measuring the vacuum pressure generated by the weight of the beer in the dip tube. The lower the fluid level in the keg, the longer the column of fluid, the more it weighs, the higher the relative vacuum at the coupler. But the pressure we are dealing with is less than 1psi from a completely full to empty keg, so you have to be able measure accurately down to the .01 psi mark to get good numbers. This system is good to about 10 ounce accuracy.
 
Ummmm....for some reason I feel a little hijacked?!? I could have sworn I asked for a flowmeter and we were fine with OUR software....thanks for the plug though...
 
Ummmm....for some reason I feel a little hijacked?!? I could have sworn I asked for a flowmeter and we were fine with OUR software....thanks for the plug though...

Sorry. Have you tried this website called Google? If you type in "beer flow meter" it amazingly answers your question.
 
OP: You asked for help and a regular told you about his extensive experience in the field and offered you an in on the beta of something he's built - I didn't see him asking for your money. Even if you weren't interested in his software, I'm sure you could pick his brain about what he's learned along the way. Otherwise, yeah - I got a lot of info on the Auper systems with just a couple minutes of web-browsing.
 
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